Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

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  • Published: 12 August 2019
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  • Phillipe
    Phillipe  4 months back

    Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    • Riley Guy
      Riley Guy  17 hours back

      Oculus' headsets also have NO upgrade path which doesn't make them a cost-effective option in the long-run.

    • Trentan Bewley
      Trentan Bewley  1 days back

      @tiggerbiggo Really? That sucks. I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna save up a grand and get the index. Fuck it

    • tiggerbiggo
      tiggerbiggo  1 days back

      It's not a good headset at all. Not worth shit.

    • Trentan Bewley
      Trentan Bewley  2 days back

      @Ivium okay well thank you, I'll definitely take that into consideration 👍

    • Ivium
      Ivium  2 days back

      Trentan Bewley Index has all those old fashion wires... just like the Rift :/ True vr experience should be wireless that’s why the Quest is the best option ;)
      The Rift only has a few more pixels, it doesn’t really make it better

  • Derek Page
    Derek Page  3 hours back

    Linus: "This is really going to open up a lot of possibilities..."

    Everyone watching: (yep, giving other people the middle finger in VR)

    Linus: You read my mind

    • t8mer
      t8mer  9 hours back

      11:59 that's what he said...

      • VietDragon
        VietDragon  9 hours back

        on amazon they sell alot LOL

        • iGamingKing
          iGamingKing  11 hours back

          Play Boneworls Vr with the Index.

          • MegamanXGold
            MegamanXGold  11 hours back

            "at that kind of resolution and refresh rate, you weren't going to be driving it without something that has DisplayPort on it anyway".
            My laptop is a more powerful gaming PC (GTX1070, i7-8750H, 16GB RAM, NVMe) than my Desktop PC (GTX970, i7-4770K, 8GB RAM, SATA SSD). My laptop only has HDMI 2.0. :'(

            • VietDragon
              VietDragon  12 hours back

              at long every VR game work under 1440HZ and work with GTX 1070 videocrd should be good some game dont work because they made for RTX video that why it suck and also not work with all headset
              that why people dont wana buy anymore VR HeadSet because they cost soo much but not work with all VR game Because they not for GTX 1070 only for RTX 2080 that why it suck VR will die again you will see no software update for it then it over

              • Steven Bowser
                Steven Bowser  17 hours back

                You thought VR was "dead"? What?

                • Uglyprincw
                  Uglyprincw  21 hours back

                  17:39 i cannot believe you can actually do this in front of your son, and still have erections at any point in time within the rest of your room-temp IQ life.

                  • Mattstar F
                    Mattstar F  1 days back

                    Good video... I hated the cutey cat hugging bit... made me want to puke like I was wearing a 30hz VR headset!

                    • Caleb Hajek
                      Caleb Hajek  1 days back

                      Boneworks

                      • Prakasa Adnan
                        Prakasa Adnan  1 days back

                        If they have heptic feedback. Imagine when you touching boobs.

                        • Tech And Taffy
                          Tech And Taffy  2 days back

                          🤣🤣

                          • NULLSKULL - GAMING
                            NULLSKULL - GAMING  2 days back

                            Me watching: yeah I can’t afford that

                            • ukr4ever
                              ukr4ever  2 days back

                              And I was hoping you'll say its $hit! Now I have to get it lol

                              • Veathen
                                Veathen  2 days back

                                See i was planning to buy one in December but that plan was demolished quickly when i looked at the valve index page and saw "Due to recent high demand, this item will ship in January 2020"

                                • Miguel Ramirez
                                  Miguel Ramirez  2 days back

                                  Shadow !!!
                                  XD

                                  • Joey Lee
                                    Joey Lee  2 days back

                                    3:33 *AWWW* does it come with this cute little cat?

                                    • EasyPixy
                                      EasyPixy  2 days back

                                      I cant believe a tech genius like person was retared enough to think vr was dead...

                                      • Zastock
                                        Zastock  2 days back

                                        12:00
                                        Oh Linus... Im sure there are games for that now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

                                        • JJ Rhodes
                                          JJ Rhodes  2 days back

                                          more of a strap on experience

                                          • Trentan Bewley
                                            Trentan Bewley  2 days back

                                            At the beginning of the video you said this was the first time you unboxed it, but in the middle of the video you said your five year old daughter couldn't play with that headset until you put the memory foam padding in? Caught red-handed

                                            • Dremico's ART
                                              Dremico's ART  2 days back

                                              3:33 lol cat

                                              • m Minde
                                                m Minde  2 days back

                                                Using 980ti.. as your gpu... does not let you feel full immersion of Valve Index.. Linus...

                                                • PixelPhobiac
                                                  PixelPhobiac  2 days back

                                                  🙀 4:40

                                                  • Paul Schulze
                                                    Paul Schulze  3 days back

                                                    Shooting a zombie in the head with blood spreading everywhere -> no problem
                                                    Showing a virtual middle finger -> needs to be censored

                                                    This world is so crazy

                                                    • EVOLICIOUS
                                                      EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                      Youtube algorithm determines this stuff. Kids watch the videos and sometimes the conflicting content will allow the video to be seen by the younger crowd.

                                                  • Stampli
                                                    Stampli  3 days back

                                                    Linus should try boneworks with this

                                                    • Ivium
                                                      Ivium  3 days back

                                                      Don't make the mistake to buy a Rift S instead of a Quest you will regret it

                                                      • Ivium
                                                        Ivium  2 days back

                                                        @EVOLICIOUS The point is: Quest is future-oriented while Rift S will be obsolete soon.

                                                      • EVOLICIOUS
                                                        EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                        Rift S is far better than the Quest, fyi. Quest has to heavily compress the streamed data over usb3, so the image looks pretty bad. If oyu have a gaming PC and want to play VR, get a PC-VR kit. Quest is best on it's own of a gameboy-like device.

                                                    • Fatal
                                                      Fatal  3 days back

                                                      This requires a PC? Well then, Oculus Quest for $400 here I come.

                                                      • Michael Johnson
                                                        Michael Johnson  2 days back

                                                        I just bought the quest and i have absolutely loved it as a stand alone all in one wireless experience. Just today i had 7 different adults ranging from age 26-47 play it and they were all blown away. They played it until the battery died 4 times today alone. It's a damn good investment with the best stand alone app store.

                                                      • EVOLICIOUS
                                                        EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                        Better to get a Rift S if you plan on playing PC-VR games

                                                    • BigTyme420
                                                      BigTyme420  3 days back

                                                      "If I Fitz, I Sitz"

                                                      • Max Stovall
                                                        Max Stovall  3 days back

                                                        Test out boneworks, the game takes huge advantage of the valve index and has a crazy engine

                                                        • Dick Kickem
                                                          Dick Kickem  3 days back

                                                          CAT!!!

                                                          • Wacky Parsons
                                                            Wacky Parsons  4 days back

                                                            age of empires 2 vr

                                                            • User
                                                              User  4 days back

                                                              Not wireless, booo 👎

                                                              • EVOLICIOUS
                                                                EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                                Valve will have a wireless adapter coming out for Index next year.
                                                                FYI, not everyone can use 60ghz. It requires a top-shelf CPU to run due to the bandwidth and ultra-low latency it needs. It's also an expensive technology. The Vive 60ghz wireless adapter is $300.

                                                            • Zyon
                                                              Zyon  4 days back

                                                              10:07 "a lot of fascinating possibilities".... Me: *MIddle finger*

                                                              • Marceleyyy
                                                                Marceleyyy  4 days back

                                                                "honestly its a bit of a mix feeling comfort wise" there are literally huge foam bumbers strapped onto every part of the plastic what more comfort do you want

                                                                • EVOLICIOUS
                                                                  EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                                  The Index is heavy, but the weight is distributed very well. I agree, I would also want it to be lighter, but with the tech it has, it's not easy to do, and make it affordable in the end. For now, it's the most comfortable HMD money can buy and it's hard to believe anyone would have an issue with comfort over countless hours.

                                                              • WadelDee
                                                                WadelDee  4 days back

                                                                Is it really necessary to censor every single instance of 🖕?

                                                                • Firestar 3x
                                                                  Firestar 3x  4 days back

                                                                  You can pair both the meat handle and index controllers in the same setup.

                                                                  • milo20060
                                                                    milo20060  5 days back

                                                                    Will probably get when I make my new pc next year summer or something.


                                                                    Worked and saved a bit for big upgrade :)

                                                                    • EVOLICIOUS
                                                                      EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                                      Better hurry, Boneworks comes out tomorrow!

                                                                  • Super Intendent Chalmers

                                                                    Too bad it wasn't dead. This is just too far in video games taken to a absurd level. People look like fucking idiots in those things and it is brimgimg people deep into isolation.

                                                                    • Edgarv68
                                                                      Edgarv68  5 days back

                                                                      il wait 5 more years.

                                                                      • Gameboy
                                                                        Gameboy  5 days back

                                                                        How to determine whether or not something is dead: the linus test

                                                                        • WaaDoku 【和ァ独】

                                                                          I'm getting the Index right now! It comes with a free cat!!! This is awesome!

                                                                          • Benjamin Arvizu
                                                                            Benjamin Arvizu  5 days back

                                                                            its comes with a kitty!

                                                                            • American Fry
                                                                              American Fry  5 days back

                                                                              The durability on both the headset and knuckles controls are garbage 1 month of daily play and it is falling apart completely even my old regular rift works better

                                                                              • EVOLICIOUS
                                                                                EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                                                lol, you are lying. Oculus build quality is nothing like the Valve Index build quality. I own several kits, Index is, by far, the best built kit and of the highest quality.

                                                                            • Kevtendo
                                                                              Kevtendo  5 days back

                                                                              vr's still in it's infancy state and there are barely any games that actually attempt to make use of vr's potential
                                                                              (boneworks, township tale, blade and sorcery are your best choices)

                                                                              so in a sense, spending 1k on a headset right now is a waste
                                                                              when it'll take years before vr really starts to take off
                                                                              and if you'd wait until then these should most have dropped in price
                                                                              or more improved versions of the headsets are released.
                                                                              (sure you can still use these headsets, but not many games make use of the valve anyways.)


                                                                              it's more of a "spend 1k just to be able to flip people off"
                                                                              so i'd just wait untill the price lowers at least

                                                                              • Kevtendo
                                                                                Kevtendo  2 days back

                                                                                @EVOLICIOUS I got my Oculus rift for $350 too. Pretty nice.

                                                                              • EVOLICIOUS
                                                                                EVOLICIOUS  2 days back

                                                                                For anyone who has never tried VR and only knows what they heard in the news 3 years or so ago when the Vive and the Rift were released and are hesitant/angry about this being a VR-only title, here's what you need to know:

                                                                                1) You don't need a $1000 headset and $4000 PC. The Samsung HMD Odyssey+ is a very good Windows Mixed Reality headset (it has the same resolution screens as the Vive Pro) and only costs $229.00. You can go even lower with $184.91 for HP's Mixed Reality Headset. These headsets are fully SteamVR-ready. For PC hardware, thanks to recent software tricks, you don't need a top-end gaming PC. Valve recommends a GTX 1060/RX 580 minimum for HL:A, which are both mid-range GPUs that go for around $170-$200. Even lower if you buy a second hand one. If you flat-out don't own a gaming PC at all, you can find guides for a $500 VR build on YouTube.

                                                                                2) Motion sickness isn't the huge issue you've heard it is from internet comedians. Modern VR headsets have been designed and extensively tested to ensure the hardware itself isn't the cause of any motion sickness. Not to say it's impossible, you might be extra-sensitive to motion sickness (though if that's the case, FPS games likely are also a problem for you) and you need to ensure you've got the headset setup correctly (i.e you're able to run the game at the minimum FPS and you have the IPD set correctly for your eyes). Beyond that, it's down to software, the developers need to make sure their camera system isn't weird and new players should avoid any artificial locomotion movement systems until they have adjusted.

                                                                                3) There's more movement options in VR than just teleporting. This is a popular option since it's more friendly towards new VR users, but many games also feature traditional WASD movement as an option for advanced players.

                                                                                4) They can't just "flick a switch" to make the game playable in non-VR. The big issue is that the game has been designed for use with what's essentially three input methods being used at the same time (your head, left hand and right hand). Further complicating things is the fact that the position and orientation in 3D space of these three input methods, as well as which fingers on what hand are in what position are also taken into consideration. This is straight-up impossible to replicate with a keyboard and mouse, assuming you don't want the game to play like Surgeon Simulator. In order to make a non-VR version, they would need to create hundreds of new canned animations to replicate some of the things the player can do in the VR version, not to mention programming new scripts for all these actions. This would be very time-consuming and would result in something that's very clunky to play. It would be better to just strip all this out of the game, but this would then require large parts of the game to be re-designed.

                                                                                Very important to add that you can cure motion sickness in 2-3 weeks by taking baby steps with artificial locomotion and irl movement in VR. Caring to avoid your subconscious associating nausea with VR. Takes patience for acclimation.
                                                                                Also important to add that VR doesn't require tons of space and that standing in one place can get you a great VR experience, but more room = more fun!
                                                                                Everyone seems to think they need to spend $1000+ on one game. So here are my system sellers: Boneworks, Asgard's wrath, Stormland, Vertigo 2, Lone Echo 2, Vader Immortal, Trover Saves the Universe, Vox Machinea, Windlands 2, Robo Recall, H3VR (hotdogs, horseshoes and hand grenades), Blade & Sorcery, Cosmic Trip, Espire 1, Arizona Sunshine, MMORPG OrbisVR, Space Junkies, Gorn, Fujii, Holoception, VTOL VR, Rec Room, Tilt Brush, SuperHot VR, Virtual Virtual Reality, Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, Onward, Pavlov, Contractors vr, Zero Caliber, Compound vr, google earth vr, virtual desktop, skyrimvr, NMSVR, so many amazing VR games and that is just off the top of my head.

                                                                            • Empu Emppu
                                                                              Empu Emppu  5 days back

                                                                              I usually don't like videos, but your cats man, i just had to!

                                                                              • a rice
                                                                                a rice  5 days back

                                                                                I don't think I'd like a more of a strap-on experience but that's just me